tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6748362830077260120.post4087817886658570528..comments2023-06-22T00:57:11.689-07:00Comments on NT Textual Criticism: O'Neill's Magic Marker Binge (Galatians)mr.scrivenerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10295661257329405324noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6748362830077260120.post-26148849403720727402017-03-11T21:26:32.057-08:002017-03-11T21:26:32.057-08:00"Its also amazing to me that O'Neill does..."Its also amazing to me that O'Neill does nothing with Galatian 5:3-6. There's an obvious contradiction here."<br /><br />Absolutely I agree. And its also amazing that he keeps any of chapter 2. The natural flow of thought obviously proceeds directly from 1:12 to 3:1.<br /><br />"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth?" <br /><br />If he really established the churches of Galatia he has no need to rehearse his life story, for surely he already gave that to them before in person. <br /><br />From chapter 3 I would keep only verses 1 and 4 and then proceed directly to 4:4 as well. All this contrived nonsense about whether they received the Spirit by the Law or by faith (could any question be more logically or even grammatically absurd?) and this silly stuff about Abraham. Its so obviously later additions from clueless scribes. dave bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03481248763950817890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6748362830077260120.post-70548452388306120262014-02-10T08:55:50.400-08:002014-02-10T08:55:50.400-08:00Wow, just saw this article after doing a search.
...Wow, just saw this article after doing a search.<br /><br /><br /><br />Mr. Gonzales,<br /><br />"Confirm" in the English means, "con·firmed<br />kənˈfərmd/<br />adjective<br />adjective: confirmed<br /><br /> 1.<br /> (of a person) firmly established in a particular habit, belief, or way of life and unlikely to change.<br /> "a confirmed bachelor"<br /> synonyms: established, long-standing, committed, dyed-in-the-wool, through and through."<br /><br /> So, in the English, it also means " continueth ". It IS about perfectly obeying the Law, and something every facet of mankind is unable to do ( and has been demonstrated by God through the nation of Israel ) as an example. The Jews couldn't keep it and neither can the rest of us by default.<br /><br />Also ( regarding circumcision ), did it occur to you that the understanding of the passage is not contradictory, but rather speaking of the reality of the difference between "spiritual circumcision", that is, "of the heart", and physical circumcision, that is, "of the flesh"?<br /><br />So it seems contradictory to the natural mind, but not to the spiritual mind.<br /><br />The Holy Spirit through Paul is addressing the Galatians the way He does, because they were on the verge of, or were actually going back to, adopting parts of the Old Testament Law as a matter of practice...probably because of a group within professing believers called, "Judaizers". <br /><br />Judaizers were / are professing believers who mix the requirements of the Law back into the faith of Jesus Christ ( the faith not only in His sacrifice and atoning blood for sins, but also the faith to pleasingly obey the Father through the power of the Holy Spirit once we are converted ) because they desire a "good show in the flesh"...that is, they firmly believe in something we call today as "legalism".<br /><br />Finally, "the real Paul" is not the one who delivered the words of this text to be written down...the Holy Spirit of God is. Any "misquotations" are the work of the Holy Ghost, and not of any man, IF you believe in Inspiration and Inerrancy.<br /><br />As for O'Neill:<br /><br />The way his rendering chops up the text reminds me of an early American historical figure who took a pair of scissors to his own copy of God's word: Thomas Jefferson.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417225197430813086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6748362830077260120.post-28694870125227672292013-01-10T20:36:35.069-08:002013-01-10T20:36:35.069-08:00Its also amazing to me that O'Neill does nothi...Its also amazing to me that O'Neill does nothing with Galatian 5:3-6. There's an obvious contradiction here. And since O'Neill's methodology is supposedly that contradictions betray interpolations, he ought to see an interpolation here.<br /><br />5:2-3 says TWICE that if you get circumcised you'll be damned, i.e. "Christ will profit you nothing," or "you'll be a debtor to do the whole law" which amounts to damnation in Pauline speak where the Law is said to be impossible to keep.<br /><br />But then, Paul turns right around in 5:6 and says circumcision is irrelevant, that is neither damns nor saves!<br /><br />I would expect O'Neill to render judgement on which of these two contradictory positions is the real Paul! Did the real Paul believe circumcision damns? or did the real Paul believe its irrelevant? or did Paul really contradict himself? If Paul can contradict himself, O'Neill's stated methodology goes out the window.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6748362830077260120.post-55631631492009388922013-01-10T20:28:50.847-08:002013-01-10T20:28:50.847-08:00Actually, some of O'Neill's deletions foll...Actually, some of O'Neill's deletions follow Marcion. But what is amazing to me is that any modern would take his scissors to Galatians and not delete chapter 3:10-11.<br /><br />3:10. "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."<br /><br />Here Paul clearly misquotes Deuteronomy 27:26 which actually says "Cursed is every one that confirms not all the words of this teaching (or law) to do them." It dos not say "continueth not" -- its about confirming the teachings, assenting that it is right, not about perfectly obeying it. Paul's mistranslation of the text leads to the absurd conclusion that there was no forgiveness under the Law!!!!! So much for Ezekiel 18, huh? If anything is an interpolation 3:10 is.<br /><br />3:11. "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."<br /><br />Go read that passage in Hosea. Paul has delete the word "his" : "The just shall live by his faith" and the meaning is clear: namely the just will live in accordance to his faith, or the just will live out his faith. The just there is even contrasted to "the arrogant" who does not obey God. That "the just shall live by his faith" actually means "the just will obey God" is obvious. Hosea isn't teaching faith alone. This must be an interpolation, if anything is.<br /><br />3:12. "And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."<br /><br />What could be more absurd than to say "the law is not of faith"? The Law both teaches and demands faith in God, and most of its commandments are followed up with phrases like "for I am the LORD your God!"!!!!! Its absurd. It must be an interpolation, if anything is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com